John Edward Welch and Betsey Moore, died in Washington Parish, Lousiana

Posted on February 27, 2013 by jmk

John Edward Welch and Betsey E. Moore were the parents of James Daniel Welch (direct line of my husband on the Hennesy side). James Daniel Welch was father of Nancy Caroline Welch, father of James Leon Hennesy, father of Esmond Edward Hennesy.

A family genealogical question sheet that, in the early 1980s, I requested Ethel Lorena Simmons Hennesy fill out, reported that Nancy Caroline, “”May have been part Indian.” Ethel was the wife of Nancy’s grandson, E. E. Hennesy.

There is a John Welch b. 1753 who married a Betsy, said to be Elizabeth Jane Hembree/Emory, and Cherokee, plus they had Moores for neighbors, but I’ve found no connection to this family. So, thus far John Edward Welch and Betsey E. Moore (I need a good source for her name) hover in the genealogical fog world. I’m at a dead end with researching his family.

Husband John Edward + Welch

           Born: 1788 - , , South Carolina
     Christened: 
           Died: 1858 Nov 18 - , Washington, Louisiana
         Buried:

         Father: James + Welch (Abt 1758-          ) ¹
         Mother: Margaret + Wiley (Abt 1762-Abt 1815)

       Marriage:

Events

1. Birth: ²

Nancy Caroline Welch Hennesy’s bible records John WELCH as father of J. D. WELCH and gives his death date:
John Welch, father of J. D. Welch died Nov. 18th, 1858

James Daniel WELCH in the 1880 census gives his parents as born in MS, as does his sister Celia who is in the same household.

In the 1850 census, John WELSH gives his birthplace as SC.

2. Census: Possible 1810 Wayne, Mississippi Territory. A JOHN WELCH is listed. No other WELCH/WELSH given.

3. Marriage: Married to Betsey MOORE., Bef 1811.

4. Children: The 1830 and 1840 census show a number of unknown female children.

5. Census: Possible 1820 , Amite, Mississippi. ³ 1820 MISSISSIPPI AMITE CENSUS
pg. 24
William CAGLE
Isaiah CAIN
John STRAUGHEN
Samuel PITCHFORD
Robert FARLAW
Mark BOATNER ?
Joel SPENSER
Wm. RUSHING
Zaddock WEEKS
Howell WALL Jr.
John WELCH 2 – – – 1 – 3 1 – 1 – – 1
NOTE: Possible for John WELCH shows 2 males under 10, 1 26 to 45, 3 females under 10, 1 10 to 15, and 1 26 to 45.
James WELCH Senior 1 – – – – 1 1 – – 2 1
James WELCH Jr. 3 3 – 1 1 – – – 1 – – – 1 (or 2) – – – – 1 – – 1
Young WELCH 1 – – – 1 – 2 – – 1 – – 1
John MOORE – – 1 2 1 1 – – – – 1 – 1
Obed MIXON
Judith MCCLENDON
James MILLER Sr.
Thomas DAVIS
James MILLER SR.
John DONNAHOE
Thomas HOLDEN
Frederick LESTON
Thos GORDON

6. Census: Pg. 81, Image 163, Roll M19_43 1830 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁴ The 1820 census shows (appropriately) 2 white males under 10 and then for female children 3 under 10 and 1 10 to 15. In the 1830 census there is one white male 10 to 15, 1 15 to 20 and 1 20 to 30. Martin isn’t shown if he is given as born abt. 1823. It’s possible the ages of the males are off a little and the youngest should be in the range for under 10. This would fit with the 15 to 20 male that appears in the 1840 census.
1830 LA WASHINGTON PARISH CENSUS
John VERNON
Cullen SANDERS
Samuel DYKES
Timothy De ADDISON
Peter BANKSTON
Francis ALLEN
William HOGAN
Patrick WILLIAMS
William TYSON
Henrietta BANKSTON
John WELSH – 1 1 1 – – 1 / 2 2 1 1 1 -1 (no slaves)
Note: John WELSH household has 1 white male 10 to 15, 1 15 to 20 (would be James Daniel), 1 20 to 30, 1 50 to 60, 2 females under 5, 2 females 5 to 10, 1 female 10 to 15, 1 female 15 to 20, 1 female 20 to 30, 1 female 50 to 60
Robert EDWARDS
Hansel SANDERS
Job GARNER
Joseph FISH
Joseph L. MIXEN
Tobias SMITH
Eli HEADEN
Thomas TRACHARIE?
Nancy WILBUR
David H. ROBISON
Hesekeah ROBISON
Philip VERNON
Frederic MOTTS

7. Census: 1840 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁵ 1840 LA WASHINGTON PARISH CENSUS
James THIGPEN
William THIGPEN
John THIGPEN
John THIGPEN Sr.
Traverse THIGPEN
Charles M. THOMAS
Hardy THOMAS
Matthew THOMAS
John TOWNSEND
Alexander H. TILEY
B. THOMPSON
A. THOMPSON Sr.
J. THOMPSON Jr.
Jesse TATE
M. E. TATE
Andrew TANEY
Z. TOWNSEND
W. W. UNDERWOOD
Philip VERNON
Moses VARNEDOE
D. R. WARREN
Wm. WILLIAMS
James L. WARNER
Tabitha WARNER
Joy THIGPEN
John VERNON
(next page pg. 112)
Thomas C WARNER
Daniel C. WARNER
James WASCOMB
John WELCH – – – 1 1 – – 1 / – – 2 2 2 – – – – – 1 (plus 2 male slaves under 10, 1 female slave 10 to 24, 14 persons total, 4 persons involved in agriculture)
Note: 1 male 15 to 20, 1 male 20 to 30, 1 male 50 to 60, 2 females 10 to 15, 2 females 15 to 20, 2 females 20 to 30, 1 female 80 to 90, plus 2 male slaves under 10, 1 female slave 10 to 24, 14 persons total, 4 persons involved in agriculture)
James WELCH – – – – 1 1 / – – – – 1
NOTE: James Daniel shows 1 male 20 to 30, 1 male 30 to 40 and 1 female 20 to 30
Wiley W. WEEKS (MEEKS)
John WALLACE
Patrick WILLIAMS
Evan WITTINGTON

Another verion of the census on pg. 147 gives for John WELCH – – – 2 2 – – 1 / – – 2 2 2 – – – – – 1 (plus 2 male slaves under 10 and 1 female 10 to 24, 14 persons total, 4 in agriculture).

8. Census: 1850 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁶ 382/382
James GILL 48 farmer b. GA
Nancy 44 b. GA
Franklin 15 b. LA
Emily 12
Amanda 10
Madison 5
Mary COOK 35
John MOORE 30 laborer b. GA
383/383 Lefore GILL 40 farmer b. GA
Lourena 35
James 18 b. MS William 16
Thomas 14
Lucy 12
Mahaley 10
John 9
Circey 6
Cintha 9
384/384
William PRINE PRINE? 50 b. GA and Harriet
385/385
Rufus GILL 34 farm b. MS
Catharine 24
Neal 2 b. LA
Mary 1 b. LA
? 25 (male) b. MS
Martha 21 b. MS
Pg. 386/386
John WELSH 70 farming $300 b. SC

9. Death: 1858 Nov 18 , Washington, Louisiana.

Wife Betsey E. + Moore

           Born: 1792
     Christened: 
           Died: Bef 1840 - , Washington, Louisiana
         Buried:

Events

1. Birth:
James Daniel WELCH in the 1880 census gives his parents as born in MS, as does his sister Celia who is in the same household.

Children

1 M James Daniel + Welch ⁷

           Born: 1811 Sep 30 - Mississippi Territory
     Christened: 
           Died: 1890 May 18 - Franklinton, Washington, Louisiana
         Buried:

         Spouse: Caroline + Bullock (1816-1887)
           Marr: 1838 Apr 29

Events

1. Birth: 30 Sept 1811. ⁸ Nancy Hennesy Bible provides date of birth. Gives as James D. WELCH.
1900 census, daughter Nancy gives place of his birth as MS.

1860 census gives 48 b. MS

2. Census: Possible 1820 , Amite, Mississippi. ³ 1820 MISSISSIPPI AMITE CENSUS
pg. 24
William CAGLE
Isaiah CAIN
John STRAUGHEN
Samuel PITCHFORD
Robert FARLAW
Mark BOATNER ?
Joel SPENSER
Wm. RUSHING
Zaddock WEEKS
Howell WALL Jr.
John WELCH 2 – – – 1 – 3 1 – 1 – – 1
NOTE: Possible for John WELCH shows 2 males under 10, 1 26 to 45, 3 females under 10, 1 10 to 15, and 1 26 to 45.
James WELCH Senior 1 – – – – 1 1 – – 2 1
James WELCH Jr. 3 3 – 1 1 – – – 1 – – – 1 (or 2) – – – – 1 – – 1
Young WELCH 1 – – – 1 – 2 – – 1 – – 1
John MOORE – – 1 2 1 1 – – – – 1 – 1
Obed MIXON
Judith MCCLENDON
James MILLER Sr.
Thomas DAVIS
James MILLER SR.
John DONNAHOE
Thomas HOLDEN
Frederick LESTON
Thos GORDON

3. Census: Pg. 81, Image 163, Roll M19_43 1830 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁴ 1830 LA WASHINGTON PARISH CENSUS
John VERNON
Cullen SANDERS
Samuel DYKES
Timothy De ADDISON
Peter BANKSTON
Francis ALLEN
William HOGAN
Patrick WILLIAMS
William TYSON
Henrietta BANKSTON
John WELSH – 1 1 1 – – 1 / 2 2 1 1 1 -1 (no slaves)
Note: John WELSH household has 1 white male 10 to 15, 1 15 to 20 (would be James Daniel), 1 20 to 30, 1 50 to 60, 2 females under 5, 2 females 5 to 10, 1 female 10 to 15, 1 female 15 to 20, 1 female 20 to 30, 1 female 50 to 60
Robert EDWARDS
Hansel SANDERS
Job GARNER
Joseph FISH
Joseph L. MIXEN
Tobias SMITH
Eli HEADEN
Thomas TRACHARIE?
Nancy WILBUR
David H. ROBISON
Hesekeah ROBISON
Philip VERNON
Frederic MOTTS

4. Married: Married Caroline Bulloch at 26 years of age., 1838 Apr 29. ⁹

5. Children: ⁹ Nancy Caroline Welch’s bible gives record of the family:

James D. Welch born Sept. 30th, 1811
Caroline Welch, wife, January 12, 1816
James P. Welch, son Feb. 8, 1844
Wm. H. H. Welch, son, born April 6, 1846
Nancy C. Welch, Dtr. born Feb. 9, 1848
Edward E. Welch, born Dec. 6, 1851
Nicholas E. Welch born Feb. 27, 1854
George P. Welch Feb. 24, AD 1858

6. Census: 1840 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁵ 1840 LA WASHINGTON PARISH CENSUS
James THIGPEN
William THIGPEN
John THIGPEN
John THIGPEN Sr.
Traverse THIGPEN
Charles M. THOMAS
Hardy THOMAS
Matthew THOMAS
John TOWNSEND
Alexander H. TILEY
B. THOMPSON
A. THOMPSON Sr.
J. THOMPSON Jr.
Jesse TATE
M. E. TATE
Andrew TANEY
Z. TOWNSEND
W. W. UNDERWOOD
Philip VERNON
Moses VARNEDOE
D. R. WARREN
Wm. WILLIAMS
James L. WARNER
Tabitha WARNER
Joy THIGPEN
John VERNON
(next page pg. 112)
Thomas C WARNER
Daniel C. WARNER
James WASCOMB
John WELCH – – – 1 1 – – 1 / – – 2 2 2 – – – – – 1 (plus 2 male slaves under 10, 1 female slave 10 to 24, 14 persons total, 4 persons involved in agriculture)
James WELCH – – – – 1 1 / – – – – 1
Wiley W. WEEKS (MEEKS)
John WALLACE
Patrick WILLIAMS
Evan WITTINGTON

7. Child’s Birth: James Pearson is born., 1844 Jan 2. Will marry Cynthia Alford.

8. Child’s Birth: William Henry Harrison Welch is born., 1846 Apr 6. He will marry Mary LEA and Jemima MORRIS.

9. Child’s Birth: Nancy Caroline is born., 1848 Feb 9. She will marry James L. HENNESY. DIRECT LINE

10. Census: 1850 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁶ 293/293
J. D. WELSH 34 farm b. MS
Caroline 35 b. GA
James 6 b. LA
William 4
Nancy 2
Lucinda MOORE 35 b. MS
294/294
Miles BULLOCK 30 farm $100 b. GA
Camantha 32 b. LA
Lefore 10
Georgia 7
William 5
Francis 3 female
295/295
Jackson GRAHAM 23 farm b. LA
Malinda 2 b. MS
Pauline MULFORD 3 b. LA
296/296
Isom GRAHAM 40 farmer $100 b. LA
Elizabeth 36
and family
297/297
Cullen SANDY 37 b. LA and Nancy 298/298
John GRAHAM 25 and Cintha
299/299
Nancy PITMAN 42 b. MS and family
Pg. 459
300/300
Peyton BOND 45 b. GA and Harriet (eldest child, Gideon, 13, b. MS)
Elijah WELCH 30 Lab. b. LA
301/301
May LU 32 b. SC
Pg. 459 B
310/310
Isaac HENNESY 55 farm $100 b. MS
Lada 50
Cintha 16
Isaac 17
James 14
John POUNDS 35
Mary 23
George 6
? 2

11. Child’s Birth: Edward E. is born., 1851 Dec 6. He will marry Nancy E.

12. Child’s Birth: Nicholas Edward is born., 1854 Feb 27-1855 Oct 28.

13. Child’s Birth: George Pinkney is born., 1858 Feb 24.

14. Child’s Death: George Pinkney dies at the age of two., 1860 Mar 22.

15. Census: 138/133 1860 , Washington, Louisiana. ¹⁰ 1860 Washington Parish LA
Post Office: Stubbs Mills
pg. 783 (19 ancestry.com)
12th of June by John E. Means
133/128 James HENNESEY 55 m farmer personal value $400 b. GA can’t read or write
Sarah f 60 b. GA can’t read or write
Anna f 30 b. LA
Mary f 16 b. LA
James m 13 b. LA attends school
134/129 Isaac HENNESEY 60 m farmer RE value $20, personal value $160 b. GA can’t read or write
Judy 60 f b. GA can’t read or write
James 21 m b. MS
James MCDAVID 19 m clerk b. Scotland
135/130 Isaac HENNESEY Jr. 22 or 24 farmer RE value $60, personal value $150 b. MS (married within the year)
Sarah 16 f b. MS (married within the year)
136/131
Chapman L. PEAK 37 farmer RE value 250. personal value 2630. b. MS (and Elizabeth and family)
137/132 John R. HOLTON 22 farmer 325. 85. b. MS (and Margaret E.)
138/133 James D. WELCH 48 m farmer 1500. 1009. b. MS
Caroline 44 f b. GA can’t read or write
James P. 16 m b. LA attends school
William H. H. 11? or 16? m b. LA attends school
Nancy C. 12 f b. LA attends school
Edward E. 9 m b. LA attends school
Nicholas E. 6 m b. LA attends school

16. Occupation: Farmer 1860.

17. Property: Real estate $1500, personal $1009 1860.

18. Census: 1870 , Tangipahoa, Louisiana. 1870 LOUISIANA TANGIPAHOA PARISH CENSUS WARD 2
In this census we find James and Nancy living between Isaac HENNESY, James’ father, and James Daniel WELCH, Nancy Caroline’s father.
pg. 138 2 W. Tangipahoa (ancestry.com 128)
262/262
SINSEY William 45 (b) farmer b. VA and Millie and family
263/263
ELLIS Maria 40 (b) farming b. MS (and family)
264/264
PEAK Chapman 48 Farmer b. MS (and Eliza and family)
Patsy 16 (b) servant
Benton 9 (b) servant
265/265
HENNESSEY Isaac 65 b. GA
Judy 65 b. GA
266/266
HENNESSEY James 26 farming RE value $600 personal $640 b. MS
Nancy 22 b. LA
Hellan 2 b. LA
267/267
WELCH Jam. D. 58 farmer $1500 $1135 b. MS
Caroline 54 b. GA
William H. 24 b. LA
Edward E. 18
Nicholas 16
BURKHALTER M. (f) 20 (mulatto) b. LA
Rosa A. 2 (mulatto) b. LA
Charles? J. 2/12 (mulatto) b. LA
etc.
270/270
HOTTEN Andrew 65 farmer $6000 $665 b. NC
Mary 55 b. GA
Susan 5 b. LA

19. Census: 1880 , Tangipahoa, Louisiana. ¹¹ Year: 1880; Census Place: 4th Ward, Tangipahoa, Louisiana; Roll: T9_471; Family History Film: 1254471; Page: 490B; Enumeration District: 181; Image: 0764.
11/48 WELCH Nicholas wm 26 Farmer can’t read or write b. LA father b. LA mother b. GA
49 Nancy 22 wife b. LA parents b. LA
50 Pinkney 3
51 Malosa 2 (female)
52 Lucy 1 (female)
12/53 to 61 Family of Solomon STRAHAN
13/62 – 68 BRUMFIELD family
1/1 WELCH James 69 Farmer b. MS parents b. MS
2 Caroline 65 wife b. GA parents b. GA
3 Ceily 51 sister b. LA parents b. MS
4 PASMAN John 23 Labors on farm b. LA parents b. LA
5 Ann 23 wife
6 Martha 60 mother
7 Thomas 4
2/8 WELCH Edward 28 Farmer unable to read or write b. LA father b. MS mother b. GA
9 Julia 23 wife unable to read or write b. LA parents b. LA
10 Francis 5 (female)
11 Esra 3/12 ?
12 WALKER Emma 20 servant unable to read or write
3/13 GIVENS Samuel 43 unable to read or write b. MS father b. Missouri mother b. GA
14 Cyntha 43 wife unable to read or write b. MS parents b. GA

20. Wife’s Death: Caroline dies., 1887. James and Caroline had been married 49 years.

21. Child’s Death: James Pearson Welch dies., 1889 Dec 2.

22. Death: 1890 May 18. ² Nancy Caroline Welch Hennesy’s bible records: James D. Welch departed this life May 18, 1890

2 M Elijah J. Welch

           Born: Abt 1820 - , , Mississippi
     Christened: 
           Died: Unknown
         Buried:

Events

1. Birth: The 1850 census gives him as born in Louisiana rather than Mississippi.

4. Census: 1850 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁶ 293/293
J. D. WELSH 34 farm b. MS
Caroline 35 b. GA
James 6 b. LA
William 4
Nancy 2
Lucinda MOORE 35 b. MS
294/294
Miles BULLOCK 30 farm $100 b. GA
Camantha 32 b. LA
Lefore 10
Georgia 7
William 5
Francis 3 female
295/295
Jackson GRAHAM 23 farm b. LA
Malinda 2 b. MS
Pauline MULFORD 3 b. LA
296/296
Isom GRAHAM 40 farmer $100 b. LA
Elizabeth 36
and family
297/297
Cullen SANDY 37 b. LA and Nancy 298/298
John GRAHAM 25 and Cintha
299/299
Nancy PITMAN 42 b. MS and family
Pg. 459
300/300
Peyton BOND 45 b. GA and Harriet (eldest child, Gideon, 13, b. MS)
Elijah WELCH 30 Lab. b. LA
301/301
May LU 32 b. SC
Pg. 459 B
310/310
Isaac HENNESY 55 farm $100 b. MS
Lada 50
Cintha 16
Isaac 17
James 14
John POUNDS 35
Mary 23
George 6
? 2

3 M Martin Welch

           Born: Cir 1821 - , , Louisiana
     Christened: 
           Died: Unknown
         Buried:

         Spouse: Lucinda (Cir 1827-          )

Events

1. Birth: The 1870 census gives his estimated birth date as 1821 in Louisiana.

2. Census: Pg. 81, Image 163, Roll M19_43 1830 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁴ 1830 LA WASHINGTON PARISH CENSUS
John VERNON
Cullen SANDERS
Samuel DYKES
Timothy De ADDISON
Peter BANKSTON
Francis ALLEN
William HOGAN
Patrick WILLIAMS
William TYSON
Henrietta BANKSTON
John WELSH – 1 1 1 – – 1 / 2 2 1 1 1 -1 (no slaves)
Note: John WELSH household has 1 white male 10 to 15, 1 15 to 20 (would be James Daniel), 1 20 to 30, 1 50 to 60, 2 females under 5, 2 females 5 to 10, 1 female 10 to 15, 1 female 15 to 20, 1 female 20 to 30, 1 female 50 to 60
Robert EDWARDS
Hansel SANDERS
Job GARNER
Joseph FISH
Joseph L. MIXEN
Tobias SMITH
Eli HEADEN
Thomas TRACHARIE?
Nancy WILBUR
David H. ROBISON
Hesekeah ROBISON
Philip VERNON
Frederic MOTTS

3. Census: 1840 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁵ 1840 LA WASHINGTON PARISH CENSUS
James THIGPEN
William THIGPEN
John THIGPEN
John THIGPEN Sr.
Traverse THIGPEN
Charles M. THOMAS
Hardy THOMAS
Matthew THOMAS
John TOWNSEND
Alexander H. TILEY
B. THOMPSON
A. THOMPSON Sr.
J. THOMPSON Jr.
Jesse TATE
M. E. TATE
Andrew TANEY
Z. TOWNSEND
W. W. UNDERWOOD
Philip VERNON
Moses VARNEDOE
D. R. WARREN
Wm. WILLIAMS
James L. WARNER
Tabitha WARNER
Joy THIGPEN
John VERNON
(next page pg. 112)
Thomas C WARNER
Daniel C. WARNER
James WASCOMB
John WELCH – – – 1 1 – – 1 / – – 2 2 2 – – – – – 1 (plus 2 male slaves under 10, 1 female slave 10 to 24, 14 persons total, 4 persons involved in agriculture)
Note: 1 male 15 to 20, 1 male 20 to 30, 1 male 50 to 60, 2 females 10 to 15, 2 females 15 to 20, 2 females 20 to 30, 1 female 80 to 90, plus 2 male slaves under 10, 1 female slave 10 to 24, 14 persons total, 4 persons involved in agriculture)
James WELCH – – – – 1 1 / – – – – 1
NOTE: James Daniel shows 1 male 20 to 30, 1 male 30 to 40 and 1 female 20 to 30
Wiley W. WEEKS (MEEKS)
John WALLACE
Patrick WILLIAMS
Evan WITTINGTON

4. Census: 1860 Mississippi, Covington, Mississippi. 449 Martin Welch 37 farmer 400 1000 b. LA
Lucinda 35
MA 16 female
NJ 14 female
TL 13 female
GT? 8 male
SJ 6 male
SA 4 female
JM 1 male

4 F Celia Welch

           Born: 1829
     Christened: 
           Died: Unknown
         Buried:

Events

1. Census: Pg. 81, Image 163, Roll M19_43 1830 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁴ 1830 LA WASHINGTON PARISH CENSUS
John VERNON
Cullen SANDERS
Samuel DYKES
Timothy De ADDISON
Peter BANKSTON
Francis ALLEN
William HOGAN
Patrick WILLIAMS
William TYSON
Henrietta BANKSTON
John WELSH – 1 1 1 – – 1 / 2 2 1 1 1 -1 (no slaves)
Note: John WELSH household has 1 white male 10 to 15, 1 15 to 20 (would be James Daniel), 1 20 to 30, 1 50 to 60, 2 females under 5, 2 females 5 to 10, 1 female 10 to 15, 1 female 15 to 20, 1 female 20 to 30, 1 female 50 to 60
Robert EDWARDS
Hansel SANDERS
Job GARNER
Joseph FISH
Joseph L. MIXEN
Tobias SMITH
Eli HEADEN
Thomas TRACHARIE?
Nancy WILBUR
David H. ROBISON
Hesekeah ROBISON
Philip VERNON
Frederic MOTTS

2. Census: 1840 , Washington, Louisiana. ⁵ 1840 LA WASHINGTON PARISH CENSUS
James THIGPEN
William THIGPEN
John THIGPEN
John THIGPEN Sr.
Traverse THIGPEN
Charles M. THOMAS
Hardy THOMAS
Matthew THOMAS
John TOWNSEND
Alexander H. TILEY
B. THOMPSON
A. THOMPSON Sr.
J. THOMPSON Jr.
Jesse TATE
M. E. TATE
Andrew TANEY
Z. TOWNSEND
W. W. UNDERWOOD
Philip VERNON
Moses VARNEDOE
D. R. WARREN
Wm. WILLIAMS
James L. WARNER
Tabitha WARNER
Joy THIGPEN
John VERNON
(next page pg. 112)
Thomas C WARNER
Daniel C. WARNER
James WASCOMB
John WELCH – – – 1 1 – – 1 / – – 2 2 2 – – – – – 1 (plus 2 male slaves under 10, 1 female slave 10 to 24, 14 persons total, 4 persons involved in agriculture)
Note: 1 male 15 to 20, 1 male 20 to 30, 1 male 50 to 60, 2 females 10 to 15, 2 females 15 to 20, 2 females 20 to 30, 1 female 80 to 90, plus 2 male slaves under 10, 1 female slave 10 to 24, 14 persons total, 4 persons involved in agriculture)
James WELCH – – – – 1 1 / – – – – 1
NOTE: James Daniel shows 1 male 20 to 30, 1 male 30 to 40 and 1 female 20 to 30
Wiley W. WEEKS (MEEKS)
John WALLACE
Patrick WILLIAMS
Evan WITTINGTON

3. Census: 1880 , Tangipahoa, Louisiana. ¹¹ Year: 1880; Census Place: 4th Ward, Tangipahoa, Louisiana; Roll: T9_471; Family History Film: 1254471; Page: 490B; Enumeration District: 181; Image: 0764.
11/48 WELCH Nicholas wm 26 Farmer can’t read or write b. LA father b. LA mother b. GA
49 Nancy 22 wife b. LA parents b. LA
50 Pinkney 3
51 Malosa 2 (female)
52 Lucy 1 (female)
12/53 to 61 Family of Solomon STRAHAN
13/62 – 68 BRUMFIELD family
1/1 WELCH James 69 Farmer b. MS parents b. MS
2 Caroline 65 wife b. GA parents b. GA
3 Ceily 51 sister b. LA parents b. MS
4 PASMAN John 23 Labors on farm b. LA parents b. LA
5 Ann 23 wife
6 Martha 60 mother
7 Thomas 4
2/8 WELCH Edward 28 Farmer unable to read or write b. LA father b. MS mother b. GA
9 Julia 23 wife unable to read or write b. LA parents b. LA
10 Francis 5 (female)
11 Esra 3/12 ?
12 WALKER Emma 20 servant unable to read or write
3/13 GIVENS Samuel 43 unable to read or write b. MS father b. Missouri mother b. GA
14 Cyntha 43 wife unable to read or write b. MS parents b. GA

Sources

1. FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service (http://www.familysearch.com).

2. Nancy Hennesy Bible, Washington Parish, Louisiana, Pg. 39.

3. Mississippi, Amite County, 1820 U.S. Federal Population Schedule (Images at Ancestry.com).

4. Louisiana, Washington Parish, 1830 U.S. Federal Population Schedule (Images at Ancestry.com).

5. Louisiana, Washington Parish, 1840 U.S. Federal Population Schedule (Images at Ancestry.com).

6. Louisiana, Washington Parish, 1850 U.S. Federal Population Schedule (Images at Ancestry.com).

7. David Gerard.

8. Louisiana, Washington Parish, 1900 U.S. Population Schedule (Images at Ancestry.com). …. Nancy Hennesy Bible, Washington Parish, Louisiana, James D. Welch born Sept. 30th, 1811
.

9. Nancy Hennesy Bible, Washington Parish, Louisiana.

10. Louisiana, Washington Parish, 1860 U.S. Federal Population Schedule (Images at Ancestry.com).

11. Louisiana, Tangipahoa Parish, 1880 U.S. Federal Population Schedule (Images at Ancestry.com).

John B. Fowler and Mary Jane Johnson

Posted on December 2, 2009 by jmk

John B. FOWLER was born 5 Jan 1827 in Stokes, NC to William FOWLER and Elizabeth Louis WESTMORELAND. He died 22 May 1883 at Greenfield, Dade Co., MO. His grave is near the gate as one enters Carr’s Chapel Cemetery, Greenfield, MO.

John married Mary Jane JOHNSON who family history stated was born 9 Feb 1832 in NC and died 30 Jan 1902 in Greenfield, Dade Co. MO.

The family story is as follows:

John was a Union sympathizer and had to leave NC. Came to Bloomington, IL where he decided to settle. He disguised himself as a peddler and returned to NC to get the girl he loved. They eloped and were married and moved to Osage Mission, KS in 1863. Her family was so angry with her husband that she never heard from them again.

Nancy Benton notes that this was passed along to her from Cora Granger, related to the Brewers through the Spurlings (Mary Katherine Brewer, daughter of David Nathaniel Brewer and Delana L. Jane Fowler, married George Spurling), along with family sheets prepared by Dottie Skinner Elliott, and that there was no source given other than family story. Which is fine. That’s how family stories usually go. But this one turns out to have some problems with the uncovering of a few undeniable facts.

I’ve found that Mary Jane’s parents were Robert Harrington Johnson and Barsheby (Bathsheba, Abersheby) Potter, and the JOHNSON family had actually migrated to Illinois, from Tennessee, when Mary Jane was little, her father dying in McLean County when she was only 5 years of age. She is in the 1840 and 1850 census with her mother who would die in McLean County in 1859, so both parents were dead before Mary Jane moved to Kansas. And in 1860 Mary Jane had family living in the McLean County area around her and her husband, John. So, that’s one story that appears to bite the dust, though it raises questions as to why the estrangement story would have arisen in the first place. The narrative may be accidentally assigned and belong to a relative, and it was thought because Mary Jane moved to Kansas that she was the one estranged, or there may have been an estrangement here which has become mixed with the story of yet another.

At any rate we have a family legend composed of a number of elements, some of which preserve a few truths.

Legend: John was from North Carolina.
What we know: This is is true. Place of origin is preserved.

Legend: John was a union sympathizer who had to leave the south.
What we know: John’s family was in North Carolina up to at least 1849. I’m unable to find them in the 1850 census yet but he and his parents were in McLean, Illinois by 1851 as that is when John and Mary Jane married. This part of the story may preserve political and philosophical beliefs held by the family and say something about their reason for moving north. The story seems to imply that John went north by himself, however, as if there was a break between he and his family as well, which there wasn’t as his family also moved to Osage Mission.

Legend: Came to Bloomington, IL where he decided to settle. However, loving a girl in North Carolina, he returned there, disguised as a peddler, to fetch her.
What we know: This preserves another geographical point and is true. Not true is the beloved being in North Carolina as Mary Jane was living in McLean and her family had been there a long while. The additional detail of being “disguised as a peddler” wants to add weight and veracity to the story. John becomes heroic and a trickster as well. He is also a lover who will go to great lengths for his beloved.

It may be that John, or John and his father, William, went to Illinois first, before the families moved, to scout out the area, then returned to North Carolina to fetch the family.

Legend: The pair elope.
What we know: Did they elope? We don’t know. They might have eloped in McLean. For all we know, one side of the family or the other may not have approved of the marriage.

Legend: They move to Osage Mission in 1863.
What we know: This preserves the migration to the west from Illinois and is true except for the fact that it’s a couple of years early.

Legend: Mary Jane’s family was furious over the marriage and never spoke to her again.
What we know: Again, for all we know there may have been strife over the marriage to John. But, as noted, both of her parents were dead long before the move to Kansas.

The following facts are for subsequent their marriage:

Child’s Birth: Robert William is born., Cir 1853. Will marry Lucinda Workman.

Child’s Birth: Delana is born., 12 Sept 1854. DIRECT LINE. Will marry David Nathaniel Brewer.

Child’s Birth: Martha is born., Cir 1858.

Child’s Birth: Cassander is born., 1858 Dec 18. Wil marry John F. Menzies, born in Canada, son of John and Elizabeth McFarland Menzies.

Census: 1860 Dry Grove, McLean, Illinois.
pg. 83
(if two numbers for values, the first is for value of property and second
is for value of personal estate)
575/561
CUMMINGS William 33 m 500 800 NY
Maria 30 f VT
William 12 m NY
576/562
GREEN R. W. 47 m Post Master 1800 personal property b. NY
Jane 43 f
Eugene 12 m
Hank 4 m
SWEET Mary 80 f
RILEY James 56 m Farm laborer b. Ireland
BRAINARD Thomas 24 m b. OH
577/563
OCONNELL John 28 m Farmer property value 75 b. Ireland
Mary b. Ireland
578564
GREEN O. D. 27 m Farmer property value 500 b. NY
Caroline 24 F NY
Burke 4 M IA
Fred 3 M IA
579/565
GREEN Charles 21 m Farmer b. NY
Ann 23 F b. OH
Jenny 1 b b. IL
580/566
BEBUY or BELUY, Dicken 52 farmer 3000 1000 b. Canada
George 16 m b. IL
Charlotte 15 f b. IL
GILES Hays 12 b. iL farm laborer
581/567
HILL John T. 47 m Farmer 3500 900 b. NC
Maria 37 b. IN
Alonzo 15 b. IL
Augustus 13 m. b. IL
Helen 11 f b. IL
James 8 m. b. IL
WIlliam 4 m b.IL
Eddy 8/12 m b. IL
582/568 FOWLER John 35 m Farmer b. NC value of
personal estate 200
Mary 30 f b. IL
Robert 8 m
Jane 6 f
Cassandra 2 f
Martha 4 f
ENGLISH Thomas 25 m Farm laborer b. England
583/569
WEBB Stephen 63 m Farmer b. NC Value of personal estate and land both
2000.
Pemima ? 42 f b. PA or TN (difficult to make out)
KEWSHAW? Mary 87 f b. NC
WEBB Thomas 26 m 2000 300 b. IL
MIlton 25 m 2400 275 b. IL
Polly 18 f b. IL
GARRETT Celia 30 f b. TN
EWING Alice 17 f b. IL
MARTIN Rocine 10 f b. IL
Stephen 9 m b. IL
SYMAN Henry 35 m farm laborer 2000 50 b. OH
William 17 m farm laborer b. OH
584/570
DEAL Saul C. 44 m Farmer 16,000 2000 b. VA
Priscilla 43 f b. VA
John 21 m b. VA
Samuel 19 m b. VA
Elizabeth 16 f b. VA
Mary 10 f b. IL b. VA
Sarah 6 f b. IL b. VA
Emma 4 f b. IL b. VA
Virginia 1 m b. IL b. VA
DICKHARD E. 24 m. farm laborer b. VA
MURPHY Michael 20 m. farm laborer b. Ireland
NEWSON Nicholas 19 m. farm laborer b. NY
HAYS Tamau? 15 farm laborer b. IL

pg. 86
590/574
Jane JOHNSON 34 f Farmer 2700 450 b. IN
John 23 b. IL
Matherza 18 f b. IL
Franci 16 m b. IL
Charles 15 m b. IL
David 13 m b. IL
Martha 11 f b.IL
Ann 8 f b. IL
591/575
RHODES Robert 22 m personal value 250 b. GA
Martha 21 b. TN
JOHNSON Mary A. 30 property value 1200, personal value 500 b. IL
Robert 12 m b. IL
Francis 7 m b. IL
Amos 3 m b. IL
593/577 (no 592/576 given)
VACH ? Allen 25 m personal value 190 b. OH
Mary 24 f b. OH
Anson 1 m b. IL
594/578
FOWLER Alfred 28 m personal value is 200 b. NC
Sarah 23 f b. IN
Webster 2/12 m b. IL
pg. 93 641/625
FOWLER Samuel 30 m Farmer 500 300 b. NC
FOWLER Harriet 28 f b. IL
Francis 3 m b. IL
643/637
FOWLER Josiah 25 m 2000 300 b. NC
Sarah 24 f
Dilley 26 f
Jincy 18 f

Child’s Birth: Elizabeth is born., Cir 1861. She will marry Michael “Mike” Workman.

Child’s Birth: Thursa is born., 11 Sept 1865. She will marry John T. Cotner.

Migration: 1866 Oct, , Neosho, Kansas.

Child’s Birth: Dora is born., Cir 1869. She will marry Robert L. Trent. After Dora dies, he will marry Mary Catherine Brewer, daughter of David Nathaniel Brewer and Delana L. Jane Fowler. Her first husband was George Spurling, and her second a man named Rhodes.

On 1869 March 1 in Osage Mission, Neosho Kansas, Delana Fowler marries David Nathaniel Brewer.

Census: pg. 207 1870 Osage Mission, Neosho, Kansas.
86/84 FOWLER Alford N. 37 merchant $700 $300 b. NC
Sarah A. 33 b. IN
Webster A. 10 b. IL
Jesse C. 8
Oliver F. 6
(next house and so on)
TRALINGER Albert and family
LAMB James B. and Francis and family
WRIGHT Susan (in above household)
BOWN William and Sarah and family
TAYLOR Benjamin
DURHAM Sylvester and Elizabeth and family
pg. 218 (ancestry.com)
HUTCHINGS Bhat? and familys
GREAVES Joseph and family
LEE? Nathaniel and family
CASILLE? James and Juliett
LAIRD John H and Elizabeth
107/105 BAD James A. 35 b. NC
Melinda 27 b. AR
James A. 10 b. AR.
LONG Sanford 80 b. IL
Malinda 18 b.
NOE Martha 12
Nancy 30
108/106 FOWLER William 69 farmer $3000 $500 b. NC
ELizabeth 62 b. NC (parents of John)
109/107 NANDIER or HANDIER Margaret 54 motel keeper b. France
Gordon A. 36 laborer b. Ireland
BEAZE Ellen 20 housekeeper b. IL
BOODIE Thomas 32 carpenter b. MO
HILL Ansley 32 laborer b. IL
CASTER George 37 stone cutter b. IL
MALLOW Peter 28 stone cutter b. Ireland
HARELSON George 41 stone cutter b. Scottland
WILKES Peter 80 teamster b. IL
110/108 SOMMERS James and Eliza
…
pg. 209 (ancestry.com pg. 220)
HUSHINGS James (NY) and family (an Andy JOHNSON in the household, age 15,
b. Cherokee Nation, given as white)
GARDEN John and family
DILLON Asborn (OH) and family
FOOL Lucinda (NC) and family
123/121
FOWLER John 44 farmer $500 personal value b. NC
Mary J. 37 b. IL
Robert W. 17 farm laborer
Delana 15
Martha 14
Casander 11 (f)
Elizabeth 9
Marthurza 6
Nancy 1 b. KS
CONEY August 28 Cabinet maker b. Baden
124/122 SPREADLING John and family
(and so on)
DAVIDSON Charles and Mary and family
HIBBARD Edward and Harriet and family

Child’s Birth: Lizzie is born., Cir 1871.

Father’s Death: 1877 Dec 26. John’s father, William dies in Neosho
County, Kansas.

Census: Pg. 38 1880 Centery (Granville), Dade, Missouri.

Page no. 38
Supervisor Dis. 14
Enumeration Dist. 4
22nd day June
(pg 37 ancestry.com)
345/348
FOWLER John 53 Farmer North Carolina F-NC M-NC
Mary 48 b. Illinois Parents-TN
Martha A 22 Illinois
Nancy 11 Illinois
Lizzie 9 Illinois

Death: John B. Fowler dies 1883 May 22 Greenfield, Dade, Missouri.

Mary Jane is yet to be located in the 1900 census.

Mary Jane died 1902 Jan 30 at Greenfield, Dade, Missouri and is buried at Carr’s Chapel, Cemetery.

Note that Nancy Benton’s Brewer Genealogy (compiled from a variety of sources and
original documents) gives John B. FOWLER as dying 1883 in Dade County.
However, in Delana Fowler Brewer’s obituaries her family is recorded as
moving to Dade County from Barton in 1895. Unless I have missed
something, I don’t observe a record of John B. FOWLER being buried in the
Carr’s Chapel Cemetery in Dade county where his wife and many other
members of the family are buried.

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